Emerging Lyme Disease Co-infection: Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Emerging Lyme Disease Co-infection: Chlamydia Pneumoniae

Chlamydia Pneumoniae, also known as CPN, is a fast emerging Lyme co-infection with very similar symptoms.

In fact for some who remain very sick and have yet to receive a positive Lyme diagnosis, CPN is something that should definitely be tested for.

The following description was taken from a blog on www.cpnhelp.org the only CPN forum I could find. It is important to note the extreme similarities in symptoms, reaction to antibiotics and even the close association with Babesiosa.

Many who are familiar with both diseases have said, “It’s not a far stretch to insert CPN everywhere lyme/borrelia is inserted” Chlamydia Pneumoniae (Cpn) is a tiny bacterium which is most often noted for causing a form of pneumonia. Up until the 1970′s it was not even isolated and was mistaken for a virus (its discovery is an interesting story and can be found here: http://www.washington.edu/research/pathbreakers/1989a.html).

“It was not until 1989 that J. Thomas Grayston and his associates named it as a separate species of the Chlamydiae. Cpn is very difficult to culture and so, without modern lab techniques, also to study. It is an intracellular bacterium, which means that it invades the body cells, and it is an obligate parasite, which means that it cannot supply it’s own energy source and so takes over the energy machinery of the body cells it invades, depleting them and leaving the host cell less functional.”

“Cpn has been implicated in a wide variety of diseases and is seen by some researchers as a causal factor in particular disease such as Multiple Sclerosis, Chronic Fatigue, Asthma, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Refractory Sinusitis, Cardiac disease, Interstitial Cystitis, Prostatitis, Alzheimer’s disease, Crohn’s disease, Inflammatory Bowel disease, and others.”

CPN is also commonly accompanied by Secondary Porphyria and Micoplasma.

If you suspect you may have CPN or CPN complications, ask your doctor to test for PCR testing, especially that which is referred to as nested-PCR testing, is considered to have the highest sensitivity and to be most objective source of serology testing for Cpn.

Originally published September 15, 2011

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7 Responses to Emerging Lyme Disease Co-infection: Chlamydia Pneumoniae

  1. Camp Other says:

    If I recall correctly, the same antibiotics used to treat Babesiosis will also treat CPN… is that correct? If the timelines are about the same for these two pathogens, then taking Mepron and Zithromax should probably kill both at the same time. What else can be used to treat CPN and how long does one generally treat it?

    • Jenna Smith says:

      It has been a long time since I’ve been on the CPN.org site but my sister doesn’t tolerate abx at all so she has had a very long rough go of trying to get rid of it and her immune system has tanked on her a number of times in the past 15 years so my knowledge of CPN is second hand. However when we swap symptoms I am amazed at how similar they are, and the CPN crowd is the only other group I know of that uses the term “herx” the way chronic Lymies do. It seems to me they can diagnose CPN more accurately but have a similar issue with co-infections which makes recovery far more complex. I will have to do an update on CPN when I get my blog back together…thanks for taking the time to comment!

  2. JANE BROADHEAD says:

    Could you tell me where to go in the UK to be tested for CPN and who could give treatment for this. I also have Lyme Disease with co~infections so am very complicated?

    • Jenna Smith says:

      The best place to find out would be CPN.org…and my sister is very private about her health – she doesn’t visit with forums or other groups mostly because she has 3 young children to take care of. I will say that she has done the best with a gluten free diet, juicing with organic fruits and veggies all day long, lots of Vitamin B12, D and Iron (she’s always anemic which is something I am borderline but nothing like her) – lots of rest when she can…but I will talk to her because I am a firm believer in having someone who can understand what you are going through. Do you have children? I have so much respect for her…she is the BEST Mom, I just don’t know how she gets out of bed…
      I hope you have good support Jane, I know CPN.org has a wonderful forum for people who need to reach out and I am pretty sure there are others there with Lyme as well.
      Blessings,
      Jenna

  3. Kim says:

    Hello! I was diagnosed 2 years ago with Lyme through IGENEX labs. I was in treatment for about 6 months and stopped on my own. (not smart, I know) Anyway, I became symptomatic again recently after I had an engorged tick on my belly. The tick just came back “negative” for Lyme but my LLMD tested several things. Everything came back “negative” except for Chlamydia Pneumoniae! I am now shocked and devastated to learn I have yet another battle ahead of me! My question is did the TICK give me this as well as Lyme? I know that I was hospitalized for 13 days back in 2004 with double pneumonia but why would I just now be finding out about this CPn after another tick bite? *scratching head* Thanks for any input!

    • Jenna Smith says:

      I am so sorry Kim –

      You probably had CPN before this last tick bite but who knows – these tests are not reliable in any way. I would say you’ve been sick for as long as you have had “the symptoms”. For everyone the collection of symptoms will be unique and I know that CPN is very much like Lyme but also a co-infection (ticks spread CPN along with Lyme, Babesia, Bartonella, Mycoplasma, Herpes, Toxemia and many others.) You can’t go back in time but you should definitely get back on abx with a strong probiotic – that is my opinion – I am NOT a licensed medical practitioner but you need to find a good one fast. CPN.org will give yo lots of info too but you have to kill ALL of the infections – parasites, candida (yeast) and mold too. If you need help finding a good doctor let me know.

      Blessings!
      Jenna

  4. Joyce Dahlberg says:

    In my research based on my symptoms (initially diagnosed with Lyme ELisa and PCR neg but undetermined on Ignex. ANother test was recommended but this was not made known to me so dr wrote neg on the test and it was also not found in my chart. (regular). As I havw always done my own research and still am I did start treatment for Lyme but had strange symptoms emerge several months into treatment. Those became worse and again after research I requested to be tested for mycoplasma. My LLMD based on the symptoms I gave requested both mycoplasma and chlamydophila C pneumonia. I tested pos for that C pneumonia. I got hold of Dr Garth Nicholson (expert on mycoplasma) and gave him my symptoms over the decades and yes I have a systemic infection (start about 1980). As I was confused he stated that CPN (chlamydophila C pneumonia) is similar as mycoplasma. The difference between the 2 appears that mycoplasma is passed on through ticks and other insects (yes including mosquitoes with Zika) . The C pneumonia is a community acquired pneumonia (person to person) and is very contagious. Yes my kids have that too (2 of 3 with quite a few symptoms). Activating the bacteria is also required and any form of stress will do that. Even a surgery which occurred to me in 1983 did that. In addition who does not have stress in their lives. It also may have a TB component to that as the person that gave this bacteria has always tested pos for latent TB . SO did many members of his family (yes it is my husband). He and all family members have had many health issues and he still has. One brother died in a horrific manner, appearing to be late stage Lyme disease. Of course all neurological issues (husband/brother with brain surgeries) Me mostly psych issues for 27 years with many psych hospitalizations, they could never figure out what but given many different diagnosis over those decades. (this is no longer an issue). One thing that has returned in me is that the start of this for me was after my husband came home with staph infection. He got that numerous times again over the decades. In 2016 he again got a rash and was told to be poison ivy. They no longer will say staph infection because people are figuring this out. This staphylococcus aureus is the cause of all lyme/Cpn. Contaminated water is the root of all these diseases. The TB component could also be related to water contamination. It is my belief that mycoplasma is in animals/insects and the C pneumonia in the persons. The Midwest (and most likely) other areas in the world are having a tremendous increase of this C pneumonia as it is very contagious. So people either contaminated or born with C pneumonia (I believe that my husband/other family members were born with this) and passing it to others like myself. SO 37 years later with many more severe symptoms. Now my kids also in their 30’s also more severe symptoms. I have at least 3 of the 7 grand kids with symptoms (2 skin and asthma). 1 will be diagnosed with autism as he was born with a compromised immune system and most likely vaccination is giving him more symptoms. Most of the grand kids were not immunized so that results in less chance of autism. I have tried everything to get the word out. send faxes with attachments to 5 senators, contacted a large TV station, send an email to the Minnesota Health department. I did all that after I contacted the CDC about the water contamination being root of it all. I also included that the Midwest is having a epidemic of C pneumonia being passed on . Of course nothing happened although they did reply that they would get back to me about my belief of this C pneumonia epidemic if needing. A day after that reply the CDC released a message that no comments would be made by any employee. A few days later also the EPA had a meeting. A little after that Price (secretary of health and human services) resigned which is fine due to his unauthorized travel on planes. Strangely he made a comment that CDC does a great job. ??? WHY he said that ???. The latest developments Horses are being identified dying from this staphylococcus aureus bacteria. ALso in Ramsey County in MN they have identified possible 67 persons with TB infections. It is even possible that a family (husband’s aunt) that passed away from long COPD illness just several months attended this senior citizen center. Yes my husband’s Mom also had COPD. This C pneumonia is also related to COPD. Guess what everything is attributed to lifestyle. Yes even the type II diabetes was (that started in 2015). Well although I am still miserable and it is unsure if I will get better, I did get rid of this diabetes as treatment with antibiotics (and other things) is making a difference. Finally the only senator that appeared to do something is Feinstein (Blumenthal, Warren, Klobuchar, Grassley were also send the faxes). I would like to send stuff to Kennedy but I can not afford the faxes anymore. He is trying to make a difference with the vaccinations. He may be unaware that a compromised immune system is a great reason for so many persons reacting. Yes this Lyme or complex lyme syndrome is so much bigger. NO TICK NEEDED and also the diagnosis of C pneumonia left untreated resulting in a lyme diagnosis clearly proves that post lyme syndrome is false because you have the same symptoms of infection. Important to note that many persons with this pneumonia get the diagnosis of MS, others are also many more such as Alzheimer, lupus, ALS. This is due to being a atypical bacteria that was thought to be a virus initially and goes through the brain barrier quite easily. The medical field knows that and that is the reason the lyme test was manipulated in the late 80’s/early 90’s because it would show the extent of people with all kinds of neurological infections.
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